Bruno
Perramant

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017
Exhibition view at In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Or, The Whale épisode 3 , 2017

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view - En marge, Galerie In Situ - Fabienne Leclerc, Paris, 15.01-18.03.17

© Rebecca Fanuele

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view - En marge, Galerie In Situ - Fabienne Leclerc, Paris, 15.01-18.03.17

Bruno Perramant
Z2, 2015
Oil on canvas
70 x 63 cm
Unique artwork
© Rebecca Fanuele

Bruno Perramant
Dancing, 2014
Oil on canvas
100 x 80 cm
Unique artwork
© Rebecca Fanuele

Bruno Perramant
Autoportrait Cubain, 2013
Oil on canvas
130 x 162 cm
Unique artwork

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014
Le Maitre des anges rebelles
Galerie In Situ-fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition views , 2014

Bruno Perramant
Génie I, 2013
Oil on canvas
55 x 46,5 cm (72 x 63,5 cm with frame)
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
Marc Domage
In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Génie XVII, 2013
Oil on canvas
55 x 46,5 cm (73 x 63,5 cm with frame)
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
Marc Domage
In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Génie VI, 2013
OIl on canvas
46,5 x 55 cm (63,5 x 72 cm encadré)
Unique artwork

Bruno Perramant
Génie IV, 2013
Oil on canvas
55 x 46,5 cm (72 x 63,5 cm with frame)
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
Marc Domage
In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Carré noir, 2013
Oil on canvas
100 x 80 cm
Unique artwork
Signé et daté

Bruno Perramant
Les Aveugles - Exhibition views
College des Bernardins
November 2012 - January 2013

© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
Les Aveugles - Exhibition views

Bruno Perramant
Les Aveugles - Exhibition views

Bruno Perramant
Le Voyeur, 2012
Oil on canvas
50 x 50 cm
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
L'enlèvement, 2012
Huile sur toile
Unique artwork
© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
La veuve blanche, 2012
oil on canvas
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste & Gallerie In Situ / fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Le masque noir, 2012
oil on canvas
55 x 46 cm ( 65 x 55 cm framed )
Unique artwork
Signé et daté

Bruno Perramant
Mezzo , 2012
Oil on canvas (x 3)
180 x 550 cm, triptych
Unique artwork
Signé et daté

Bruno Perramant
Les Aveugles, vue générale, 2012
Oil on canvas

© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
Composition n°3 les aveugles, 2000-2011
Oil on canvas, 19 elements polyptych
500 x 450 cm
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste & Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
La couverture jaune, 2011
Oil on canvas
145 x 114 cm
Unique artwork
l'artiste & Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Les aveugles, 2011
Huile sur toile
Unique artwork
l'artiste & Galeire In Situ / fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view - History of abstraction, I Prologue, II The wedding, 2011
Galerie Rolf Hengesbach, Berlin, Germany

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view - History of abstraction, I Prologue, II The wedding, 2011

Bruno Perramant
L'excuse, 2011
Huile sur toile
Unique artwork

Bruno Perramant
L'escalier bleu, 2009
oil on canvas
162 x 130 cm
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste & Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Rigodon, 2006
oil on canvas
12 x (73 x 60 cm)
Unique artwork
l'artiste & In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Rigodon, 2006

Bruno Perramant
Rigodon, 2006

Bruno Perramant
Rigodon, 2006

Bruno Perramant
Rigodon, 2006

Bruno Perramant
Le mariage, 2008-2011
Huile sur toile
Unique artwork

Bruno Perramant
vue expo Meessen De Clercq n°3

© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
vue expo Meessen De Clercq n°2

© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
vue expo Meessen De Clercq n°1

© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
vue expo Meessen De Clercq n°6

© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
vue expo Meessen De Clercq n°5

© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view - Les couleurs, la guerre, 2010
Galerie in situ - Fabienne Leclerc, Paris

© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view - Les couleurs, la guerre, 2010

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view : Quoi, Kunsthaus Baselland, Basel (CH) , 2008

L'artiste & Galerie in situ - Fabienne Leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view : Quoi, Kunsthaus Baselland, Basel (CH) , 2008

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view : Quoi, Kunsthaus Baselland, Basel (CH) , 2008

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view : Quoi, Kunsthaus Baselland, Basel (CH) , 2008

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view : Quoi, Kunsthaus Baselland, Basel (CH) , 2008

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view : Quoi, Kunsthaus Baselland, Basel (CH) , 2008

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view : Quoi, Kunsthaus Baselland, Basel (CH) , 2008

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view : Quoi, Kunsthaus Baselland, Basel (CH) , 2008

Bruno Perramant
Quatre chevaux, le premier ciel, 2007
Huile sur toile (x4)
4 x (73 x 92 cm)
Unique artwork

Bruno Perramant
Re: noir (jaune), 2010-2013
oil on canvas
200 x 160 cm
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste et Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Re: noir (rouge), 2010-2013
oil on canvas
200 x 160 cm
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste et Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Re: noir (vert), 2010-2013
oil on canvas
200 x 160 cm
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste et Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
L'âne et rien, 2010
oil on canvas
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste & Galerie In Situ / fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Le Sophiste, 2008
oil on canvas
3 x (200 x 140 cm)
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste & In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view - Nouveaux spectres, 2008
Galerie in situ - Fabienne Leclerc, Paris

© Marc Domage

Bruno Perramant
Exhibition view - Nouveaux spectres, 2008

Bruno Perramant
L'instructeur, 2008
Oil on canvas ( x 2)
2 x (195 x 130 cm)
Unique artwork
l'artiste & Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Eatro delle arti, 2008
oil on canvas
8 x (100 x 130 cm)
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste & Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Les tapis rouges, 2008-2009
oil on canvas
4 x (80 x 100 cm)
Unique artwork
l'artiste & In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Les cavaliers, Franco, Henry IV, Louis XVI, Jeanne d'Arc, 2005 - 2007
oil on canvas
(100 x 80) + (100 x 100) + (92 x 73) + (73 x 60)
Unique artwork
l'artiste & Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Trois chevaux, Apocalypse noire n°2, 2006
Huile sur toile (120 x 120 cm, 130 x 130 cm & 120 x 120 cm)
Unique artwork
© Marc Domage
Exhibition view - Traces du sacré - Centre Pompidou (May-August 2008)

Bruno Perramant
Quoi ?, 2006
Oil on canvas
2 x (80 x 100 cm)
Unique artwork
l'artiste et Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Le chien blanc, 2002
oil on canvas
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste et Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

Bruno Perramant
Unit n°1, 1997
oil on canvas
Unique artwork
Signé et daté
l'artiste & Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris

1/49

- Are you taking the brain out
- Checking to see if the neck is broken
- And then putting the brain back
- Do you believe that the terrorist attacks were not serious
- Where could you find better fighters than the fascists
- But did so many people have to die
- When to use John's first ejaculation
- What
- The first ejaculation
- On which date
- Where is our heart
- Has everything been checked
- Yes.


The interview

C. C. I was wondering about the format of the polyptychs. I found the little white dog (or rather the small painting of the white dog) at Fabienne Leclerc's very interesting, for example. How do you choose your formats, or how do they appear?
And how do you design the polyptychs, what meaning comes out of all that?
O. M.    In your work, is there a role for arbitrariness? Does it ever happen that a new arrangement of the canvases comes to you after you have actually been painting? In other words, does it ever happen that a polyptych is arranged differently than you expected when you started the work?
The formats are sometimes chosen to be able to be combined, for example the length of one is the same as the width of another. To do this, I use standard, pre-defined formats which have the advantage of dimensions that are already decided and are appropriate.  Moreover, I can find them anywhere, with minor variations, admittedly.  The ideal measurements are not the same in Italy, France or Germany. And the formats also depend on the studio I am in. That is also subject to variations, because I don't live in one fixed place anywhere. The large polyptychs are created in a tiny studio, and I really saw them years afterwards.
Apart from the tryptychs, which are rather classical, I don't think I have ever repeated the shape of a polyptych. They are designed differently every time. For example, Joyce's pharmacy developed around an initial diptych, which is in the centre of the whole work, which explains the different gaps between the paintings and the deployment towards the right, the left, top and bottom. Matrice followed the game of Chinese checkers, and was constructed after the event. Eatro delle arti was literally uplifted by black monochromes like the pedestals of statues. Tapis rouges (red carpets) was initially diamond-shaped, before turning into a wave. In fact, it is rare that the shape of a polyptych is decided in advance, except for a work like Rigodon. I observe attractions, collisions, relations of energy, beneficial effects or repulsions. If meaning comes out of all of that, it is only in the connections and gaps, in the possibility of the broadest interpretation, in a reading that leans towards fiction. They are both spatial developments and blocks of time that have come from everywhere.

C. B.  & M. P. When we arrived in your studio in the Villa Médicis, we noticed (and it also came from what we knew of your work) the "narrative", quasi-cinematographic dimension of your paintings, not only through the subjects painted, but also in their potential for assembly/fixation.
David Lynch works on his films by erasing certain parts of a screenplay, the missing parts of the film, the ghosts, give those scenes that are kept a spectral dimension.
It seems to us that there is something of that kind in your painting "the void", the space between each painting, a missing painting that the viewer has to imagine, a pictorial off-screen.
So here is the beginning of a question about the montages, the flows, missing paintings (we are reminded of Erased de Kooning drawing by Rauschenberg), including the missing parts.
I am very happy that you noticed that, since it has been one of my chief concerns for some time now. This void and these absences only have value due to their potential as a creative reserve. What about diptychs like Parenthèse (Parenthesis)  or Rien N°.1 (Nothing No. 1) are really focused on emptiness, literally or physically. Including a figure in this emptiness would be like telling stories, and that is not what I am about. This is even more blatant when the paintings are hung, even if it is ephemeral, what is holding up the paintings is not the place in itself, but the emptiness of this place, where the viewer is. Which is why perhaps it can be qualified as strange, which keeps coming up whenever I show my work. What is missing in this proliferation of canvasses, what is invisible but calling to you, is the real ghost. In this context it is tempting to opt for archetypes of ghosts. The spectrum of possibilities is very broad. Lynch's method is very interesting. You also find that in Joyce, and it is the opposite of Poe's stolen letter, which is not seen because it is too visible, here, what is missing creates a heightened perception of the visible.

M. A. When you were at the Villa Médicis, did you visit the little Museum of souls in Purgatory? Is there any familiarity possible between the spectral images that can be seen there, and your own ghosts?
Yes, it is a very curious place, like the Crypt of the Capuchins. All that is missing is an old exorcist and the supernatural atmosphere would be complete. I thought that there, there were traces that appeared after the death of certain individuals, which suggests that the production of images, the manifestation of presence, does not stop with the disappearance of the body. For the moment, I will stick with my physical experience in this world, and to come back would give me the impression of not having done what I should have. Purgatory, in fact.

Au. B.  Whether they are shown in Paris or Rome, are the New spectres the same?
Of course they aren't. The history of these two cities is too different or even antagonistic for these ghosts to be associated with the same references. I found them more peaceful in Rome, more "at home", "urbi" and I was really wondering how they would be perceived "orbi". Velázquez and Bacon have made a real comeback, and the question will be asked timidly, "Are they popes?"  In Berlin, somebody talked about Guantanamo. I used the same title Nuovo Spettri, Nouveaux Spectres (New Spectres). In my mind, it was not just a matter of ghosts. I was also thinking about the spectrum of colours, and you noticed the very singular colours in these paintings, particularly of the Sophist, where the invisible background is black. This is a logical continuation of my work that has been pre-meditated for a long time, looking for the colour really hard, from the darkest of backgrounds.

J. B. G. In the paintings that you painted in Rome, there is something like doing the splits between Jean Ray and Diego Velázquez, between phantoms that like eating sauerkraut and a portrait of a seated pope or bishop. The question that occurs to me looking at these ghosts, and one can also consider that one is between Oscar Wilde's Canterville and the monk's cowls of Zurbarán, is the extent to which the image incarnates or emaciates? Is creating an image the role of painting and therefore the cowl, as a pure abstraction from white, or that of its total incarnation and its relationship to sauerkraut*?
(*See Jean Ray, Le Livre des fantômes, La choucroute, Ed. Marabout, Verviers, 1966)
I only know Jean Ray by reputation, I better know Velázquez, but you are right, it is possible to associate Oscar Wilde and Zurbarán. The first seated ghost is not even painted, it is the white of the canvas in slight shadow which gives it its coat, in the same way as we refer to a horse's coat. The question of incarnation which arises in painting is, in this case, a question of approach. Visibly, this figure of a ghost is lived-in, there is someone under the veil. If I tell you that this person is called Véronique and that she poses in the studio, I think that you will quickly associate this veil with that of another Véronique, the Saint, the Vera Icona, and therefore with the face of Christ and the Incarnation which the Spanish monk is pondering sombrely, while Velázquez brings out, from the coats of flesh and blood, the dazed faces of Las Meninas or the very severe Innocent X. But I don't know if all of that has any relationship with sauerkraut.

J. D. The triptychs of 2008 like Nouveaux Spectres or The Sophist remind me of the triptych L?Oubli (Forgotten) of 2004 which showed three sheets lying on the ground, and marked "à quelle date?? (?What was the date?").  Do your recent paintings carry the memory of the older ones? What does ?the present" mean to you?
Of course, L'oubli was something of an orphan until more recent works. Paradoxically, I had not forgotten L'oubli and there are other works which enable it to go back in time, like the series of four red carpets. I have stopped wanting to create links at all costs, now it happens naturally and, as in this case, it can take a long time. The question: ?What was the date? did not have an answer, of course, or else it's today, now, that the deserted sheets of L'oubli have been brought to life and picked up by the spirits. And the now time is the contrary of a perpetual present where, ultimately, nothing happens, it is the time of recognition and it is the unmeasurable time where the obsession with a colour, a relationship between tones occupies the entire capacity of the mind. What relationship does colour have with time? Have you noticed that there are slow colours which stretch the perception? Is the duration of the black the same in the background or an overpainted layer? Does the capture of the red not take away all your points of reference? Is blue a vertical or horizontal duration? Colours have wavelengths and are included in an infinite spectrum, a new spectrum is a new time.

J. D. The sheets in the triptychs seem to incarnate the shapes, but we can project anything onto them, or even nothing more than a phantomesque floating.  What are they really covering? What is on the other side?
R. H. During the last two years, you have worked on two unusual themes, on equestrian statues and ghosts. In both motifs, the human form plays an important role. In both cases, it does not consist of flesh or blood, but stone, apparently hard and firm, or of light that has appears from nowhere, and intangible. Why engender the vivacity of a human being via the fluidity and change of colours, although it is soulless? To what extent are you trying to reproduce the depersonalisation of human beings today?
C. B. Although the monuments in this series Les quatre cavaliers (The Four Horsemen) are in a poetic, ghostly indistinctness, as if seen via a night-vision camera, they have a very strong presence. Is this sensitive presence of objects and bodies, like the seated ghost or this passing dog, an essential feature of your work?

Really, they are not covering anything, we are creeping up on an effect of a presence. The figures lend themselves to this, but it is like a resurgence the wrong way round, from the ghost to the being, or from the stone statue to the model, a sort of reincarnation through colour and light. I don't have anything to say about the ghosts themselves, they are not the subject. As I said earlier, the real ghost is the absence of the centre in certain works, a void or a withdrawal which liberates, lÉclaircie de l'Être, as Heidegger would say. I tend to consider as caricatures those paintings which still attempt to move in force, through will to power or, on the contrary, through impotence, towards this aspect of human representation. How many bad painters after Bacon, it's incredible. My work is like a garden, I also prepare the ground for those coming after me. You can also see the portraits that mark these years, their evolution alongside other paintings will end up being significant. I am not sure that the fluidity and change are soulless and whether it is not an essential aspect of the human being freed of his being. From this viewpoint, I am just answering that question of presence, in a time when everything tends to deny the very meaning of our being in the world, a present ghost for the living dead.

O. M. Can one consider the contemporary era that painting is in danger from itself?
Al. B. Do you have a tragic vision of life?
It is already written in the 2001 painting: "I don't have a martyr complex."

D. R. It is one avenue, a proposal, a thread to unravel the imaginary world looking for faded time which seems to haunt your paintings, where a life is invented beneath life, under the thickness of paint where the invisible stalks itself. There, Who dreams of Whom? Who is the dream of What?
Sometimes I become the dream of my own paintings, in intense, free periods, I continue painting in my sleep, until I no longer know who is dreaming about what, or who is dreamed by what. I dream about the old Picasso surprise by the unbroken flow of his own works, or the old Titian painting walls with colour using his fingers, or the old Matisse cutting out colours in his bed. Waking, sleep, life and dream all merge.

C. B. How long ago did the triptychs make their appearance? With their religious connotation, I wonder whether you are referring to mediaeval altarpieces, or whether it is a contemporary reaction as in the work of Francis Bacon, which reflects these traditional themes in his crucifixions. However, you paint pictures like Love Stories, Les Demoiselles or Si je t?oublie, Paris in this old-style configuration. Do you mean that God (or rather the Catholic Church) is dead or obsolete or that nowadays, banality is a theme of adoration.
Au. B. How would you define your relationship with religion? In your opinion, does it appear in your canvasses?
I can tell you how the polyptychs in the form of a cross appeared in my work. Les Portes is a group of six paintings on the theme of full, empty and thresholds, set out in the form of a horizontal cross. Originally, it was a layout as a cube in space which served as a "background" or "set" to the series of young women after Picasso, Les demoiselles. An allusion was made to Cubism. This being said, I am not unaware of the words of Saint John, "I am the gate.  Whoever enters by me will be saved." You have to go to Malta to see his decapitation painted by Caravaggio. Neither am I forgetting that in Parmenides, a gate appears in the heavens. Nevertheless, I don't think I am leaning towards the metaphysical, these gates do not open onto anything, they are just open and closed at the same time. One world has gone away; is another coming? Symbolically, Les portes or Joyce's pharmacy, are crosses lying down, they deal with vision, passage and light (luminoso disponibile). Who can take them up? Diego Velázquez or Francis Bacon do not paint religious paintings, which don't actually exist, apart from icons or idols, even if Catholicism enabled this deployment of extraordinary forms and representations which are not religious. They tell us about the real presence. A question arises: how should we understand it today, without making a mockery of it, which any adoration of banality would be, and the art world sometimes comes close to that, with all its millions of dollars, and in that sense, it is very religious. The death of God is announced by a madman in Nietzsche, and he makes us take the blame, unless you read Hölderlin and Heidegger.  It is not really good enough and morally, it's rather complacent. As to the Catholic Church, it has scheduled its own disappearance as its destiny, so patience is required; for the moment it refuses to lay down and die. The pillage of Rome has already happened, and personally, I don't have time for being lectured.

Al. B.  You have often written in your own catalogues, you composed a critical article about a photographic artist, your references are very often literary and when they are cinematographic, they involve film-makers who are themselves writers or prolific readers. What role do words occupy compared with images in your life as a painter?
J. D. Last year, you were invited to take part in the exhibition  Traces du Sacré at the Centre Pompidou, what role does knowledge of and familiarity with Scriptures play for you? And in general, which of your reading matter affects your work?
I remember the first text that struck me was Héliogabale ou L'anarchiste couronné by Antonin Artaud, then Pompes funèbres by Jean Genet, I suppose I could have done worse. I owe more to my reading and to time spent looking at paintings than to any teaching. I am interested in philosophy, Jewish and Chinese thinking, literature and poetry, scriptures, all self-taught. Every book leads you to another book. Pasolini to Saint Paul, Sade to Pascal, Heidegger to Nietzsche and Hölderlin, Melville, Faulkner and De Luca to the Bible and the Bible to all the rest. Yesterday evening, I saw the few books that Marlon Brando alias Colonel Kurtz had with him in the depths of the Cambodian jungle, in the heart of the Apocalypse. In the darkness, Goethe and the Bible are side by side, and we also heard verses from Baudelaire in that film. I do not think that the world exists, without a word existing. However, I don't feel like I am a literary person, and I never illustrate anything, but on the other hand, I live and breathe millions of letters, and am attentive to the real world, and my visions are formulae, which are revealed, which multiple voices convey to me at the moment of their epiphany. It has something magic, and always extremely great. That white dog that I see from my window in the light, I have already followed it with my eyes, he is at the end of the Mahabharata, a God in a dog's skin, that we have to acknowledge.
For the exhibition Traces du sacré at the Centre Pompidou, I showed a triptych, entitled Trois chevaux, Apocalypse noire n°2 (les dieux obscurs) (Three horses, black Apocalypse no. 2 - the dark gods). It is a work derived from a series shown in Germany two years earlier, about the Apocalypse. These horses are the Pegasus groups which adorn the Alexandre III bridge in Paris and which represent, allegorically, the Arts, Commerce, Science and Industry. This monument was erected for the world exposition of 1900. Of course, that was at a time when there was a promise of universal progress. Turning that promise into an apocalypse with the hindsight of a murderous century appears justified, while granting immunity to the artists. To Picasso, who answered the German officer who asked him if he had painted Guernica: "No, it was you!".  And it would not be the last Massacre of the Innocents, even if it was already written.

B. C. It seems to me that you draw a lot on this apocalyptic vein, where the difference between the archaic and the Judeo-Christian become apparent (between "static" and "dynamic" as Bergson would say); we could also say idol and icon. What working relationship does he have with the two temporalities which are in opposition in the irruption of the eschatological horizon: "mental" duration (as defined by Paul) which expires as soon as it appears due to the "future time".
The future time opens the way to other temporalities, but it would be necessary to wait for Nietzsche to turn the proposition into the time that comes back. The blinding revelations on the road to Damascus or to Sils Maria bring them close together. Eschatology becomes an open book on the present which is all times. It is because painting participates in this "dynamic" timelessness that I became interested in it, and as you put it, I draw from this apocalyptic vein. Does this presuppose an implement immersed in blood, I mean generational blood, to come out of it, since the "static" is still there, that it scrolls like a title sequence where the words "The End" never come. The future time is always a future time, so I painted the word End in Chinese in the centre of a painting.  There must be two or three versions, blue, black and green. I painted tangled rivers of illegible title sequences, circular paths linked to the words of Italian pentiti talking about assassination attempts, deaths and fascist fighters, persecutors as Saul of Tarsus defined himself. If, suddenly, these things are important to me, it is because looking at paintings, and particularly those of Nicolas Poussin, there is that experience of a linear crack, that powerful sensation of the present unfurled, radiant. I can leave it there, and these works are a revelation for me, and therefore an event in the same way as a resurrectional event which, for Paul, is the key to a change in the course of history. A friend pointed out to me the absence of violence in my paintings, but logically I should not have to destroy what I love.

E. C. I will quote Arthur Schopenhauer, The World as Will and Representation, concerning that given that haunts painting: light.
 ?Indeed, grasped, stopped, reflected by these powerful, opaque masses, with sharp outlines and complex forms, the light deploys its nature and its properties in the sharpest and clearest way, [?] it is the condition, the objective correlative of the most perfect intuitive knowledge."
How do you translate this in your works?
V.d. C. When I think of your work, it always strikes me that this cabin window which leads me to this representation of a cave (another canvas that I must have seen in your Roman studio, then at your exhibition at the Villa Medicis in 2008), which opens onto an area of dazzling light (the sky?  the reflection of the sun on the sea?) and when I think of these works, I associate them with the representation of Heaven in the paintings by Fra Angelico.
To what extent are these representations of light, which have predominated in recent years in your work, mystically charged?
You should never forget to what extent I am confronted every day by one and the same task. Painting pictures; The constant confrontation with the material removes the mystic experience. But you are right on one point, the paintings have to be meditated, lived, their visibility is not always immediate. I do not refute this approach, I was recently in Cortone to see the Annunciation by Angelico. As every time, it is a masterful dazzle. The ambition of Fra Angelico is extraordinary and it always succeeds, whether in individual frescoes in monks' rooms in San Marco and in the large oil paintings. The mystic is access to the divine with no intermediary, and there is a burning purity in the mystic experience that I cannot claim, look at Rothko, you could say that is what he looks for, it is sometimes sublime or abjectly sad, infinite and shapeless form, and it ends badly, I am a bastard compared to that, but a living bastard. I have painted with the lights off, the curtains drawn, with coloured lamps, like lures, which the sun blends with the sea. As soon as there is the play of light, the mystery returns, even Schopenhauer uses terms from Gnostic thinking. Of course, without light, there is no gaze and no thought, no amazement and no dazzling, no knowledge and no love.

Y..N. G. For love, how far would you go?
As far as being what I am.
Y.N. G. ... Of course, the next question is: ?How do you make love??
Free of charge.
Y..N. G. And you got no man to look after you ? Is Shakespeare a friend of yours? And Picasso ? And Mozart ?
They visit me regularly, it is immensely comforting.
Y..N. G. Do you think that art records another existence, or that it is that other existence?
I is another person in one and the same existence.
Y. N.  G. If painting can do good, can it also do harm?
Nothing forces you to accept what you don't like.
Y. N. G. How to make a yellowing shirt white?
There is nothing that can be done, except to wear a blue tie so that the yellow looks more yellow.
Y.N. G. The question of the slip, the lover's hand (the mother of Jorge Luis Borges means: "I am my son's hand", she says: "I am my son's lover")... But what is the question here?
Do you think I am the lover of the Father (with or without capital?) or father-lover? The mothers of poets are made to give birth to monsters.
Y.N. G. Which order are we in? Is there war or peace? Who is rich, who is poor? Who is modest? Where are the flowers? What is theft?
And there will never be peace, wealth is unimagined, poverty taken hostage, there is no why to the rose. So you withdraw from human approval, common impulses, you steal according to ...

F. L. Your work reminds me of sampling in music, a sort of collage of works in various keys, from different eras. This technique refers to memory, to reminiscence. Do you find the idea of "original" suspect?
Technically, I think there is a great difference. One can make musical or literary quotes, it is just a matter of cut and paste, it is a modern genre, but is already very old. On the other hand, it is impossible to cut a piece out of a painting to include it in another one, or only as an image, but painting is not an image. So, the words memory and reminiscence are more relevant. It sometimes happens that I remember a colour to paint a picture. Recently, I particularly looked at Sebastiano del Piombo, because he uses strange tones which I find it difficult to understand. It would have been necessary to dive right into his paintings and find out from which darkness the colour became precisely colour. I believe that people will end up understanding that I do not rule out anything for myself, and that contemporary for me is not limited to just a small social sphere. As to the ideas, I can't see anything that would make them suspect, it is morality that hi-jacks them and there, we can be suspicious if necessary.

J. D. You know the famous quote from Chateaubriand: "Everything has changed in Brittany, except the waves which are always changing". What do you think, as you have decided to call your next exhibition Bis non repetita ?
O. M. What changes will we be able to detect in that exhibition in Brussels?
O. M. In the polyptych ?Eatro delle arti?, can you explain what motivated the way you used black?
A bit of sea air was needed before the end, thank you. I am used to my exhibitions being ready a few months in advance, and embody a project which is not just a line-up of paintings. This time, time did not allow me to start from scratch, and the idea of building an exhibition based on the previous one was adopted. I hope people will see that the subject is not, in itself, the only criterion of progress. In the centre, Eatro delle arti, is a pivotal work where black assumed the greatest importance that I could impart to it, as far as being monochrome. This work preceded triptychs like Nouveaux Spectres ("New Spectres") or Le Sophiste ("The Sophist") and it is from there that colour took centre stage again. Over a period of years, black started gradually to take over the whole painting. Starting with simple writing, taking of measurements, the sexy underwear of the young women, the opaque depth of the night, and finally the most total monochromatic abstraction. This is to say that there are incessant, new waves, and greater movements like tides. Eatro delle arti is like the culmination of the high tied of the colour black. It is followed by an ebbing tide. So there will still be dogs, a cave and ghosts, but everything will have changed in Brussels apart from the waves that cross the painting.

V.  S. I think that my eyes fell into paint when I was very young. A special way of life. And while we are about it, visits to exhibitions of Mantegna, Picasso and the masters and then, Les Nouveaux spectres was a great time for my vision, a fine opportunity to meditate on paint as a material and painting/the intellect.
Even if the subject has been flogged to death, the question of technique and its correlation with ideas keeps coming back like an obsession. Why? Because perhaps, as a painter unfulfilled and frustrated by not being able to live painting from the inside, I overvalue the ease of know-how, I am ecstatic to see the perfect match between the "saying" and the "said"? Or perhaps I have never got over contemplating the metamorphosis of the little heaps of colours and updates of the mind. Immersion in the coats and undercoats, impasto or glaze which provoke a chain reaction in the brain and results in pure intellectual pleasure?
When I look at the lattice-work of whites zigzagging on the ruffs painted by El Greco or Velázquez and I find similar twists on the body of a swimmer by Picasso, I cannot help being moved by these signs of a slight human quiver being passed on through the centuries.
Likewise for the popes. The avalanche of lace on the belly of Innocent X becomes liquid in the work of Bacon, and continues to tremble in the ether of {Nouveaux Spectres...
What is curious is that in your catalogues, you rarely talk about the vehicle, the material, or perhaps I missed some pages. It is the subject, the statement, the expression of the idea that predominate. But unlike the literary and smooth painting of the surrealists, one can feel that the direction given to the brush strokes, the thickness, the fluidity, the dripping all have a meaningful presence. But you don't talk about them.
It's not opportune. You have to acknowledge that the very principle of the technique is no longer a style in itself. The era of the impressionists or the cubists is gone. So the way of painting, so long in the learning, is forgotten, it remains there, and there is not even any need to talk about it.
When we talk about technique, we talk about a painting. When we consider the meaning, we switch to the terminology of the image. So everything is possible, everywhere, nowhere. Whether it is printed, projected, virtual, it remains a carrier for the idea. I can look at your paintings on the Internet, or in catalogues, I will derive a certain pleasure from them, because I remember the way you paint. I can settle for contemplating Las Meninas on a beer mug, I don't care, I can see the painting already. That will not stop me travelling hundreds of kilometres to see an exhibition, you know.
So that was the question: is the role of the technique sufficiently important to influence the subject of the painting or is it only a tool and basta?
As I said earlier, I spend my time painting pictures and I don't paint them just any old way, and I know very well that the reception or perception of a painting is first and foremost a physical matter which escapes understanding and reason. Your remarks are very true, but it is difficult to come up with a discourse that can replace experience and when all is said and done, that discourse is not a matter for me. Like you, I know the intellectual pleasure of wandering through the meanders of the material, and perhaps even more so, the colour. Nothing can replace that, no reproduction, no image. You need a nervous system that is able to receive what is commonly known as a painting, otherwise you can say anything you like, it all falls apart very quickly. So perhaps it is also because every day, I am immersed in it every day that I like to talk about something else and leave aside that worn-out discourse, which is often a palliative for a lack of humour. I qualify the long wanderings of the mind as humour.

J.P. R. What is painting good for?
- What is cowhide good for? A child answered "cowhide holds the cow together".

X. What fee was agreed? Should we negotiate.
This ongoing interview is priceless.



Acknowledgements, in order of appearance: Claire Chevrier, Olivier Meessen, Christophe Berdaguer et Marie Pejus, Marianne Alphand, Aurélie Bousquet, Jean Baptiste Ganne, Julie David, Rolf Hengesbach, Conny Becker, Alain Berland, Danièle Rivière, Benoît Chantre, Eric Corne, Valérie da Costa, Yves-Noël Genod, Fabienne Leclerc, Véronique Schiltz, Jean Paul Robert.

Solo exhibitions

 
 
2014
«Le Maître des anges rebelles», Galerie In Situ - fabienne leclerc, Paris
«Joyce's pharmacy», ERBA, Valence

2012
«Les aveugles», Collège des Bernardins, Paris

2011
«History of abstraction IV, «8 squares, 8 objects», Galerie Meessen De Clercq, Bruxelles, Belgique
«The wedding, Galerie Michel Journiac, Université Paris 1», Panthéon Sorbonne, Paris, France
«History of abstraction III Composition n°3 les aveugles», Galerie in situ, Paris (08/09-15/10/11)
«The history of abstraction, I Prologue. II The wedding.» Hengesbach Gallery, Berlin

2010
«Les Couleurs, la Guerre», Galerie In Situ / Fabienne Leclerc, Paris

2009
«Bis non Repetita», Galerie Meessen de Clercq, Brussels, Belgium

2008
«Nouveaux spectres», In Situ/Fabienne Leclerc, Paris, France «Quoi ?», Kunsthaus Baselland, Basel, Switzerland
«Nuovi Spettri», Villa Medicis, Rome, Italia

2007
« Re.noir », Galerie In Situ Fabienne Leclerc, Paris, France

2006
«La part du feu», Galerie Saint Séverin, Paris, France

2005
« Dar(k)stellung», Galerie Rolf Hengesbach, Köln, Germany

2004
« Si je t'oublie Paris », Galerie in SITU, Paris, France
« The Garden of Delights », Gem Museum voor Actuele Kunst, La Haye, Holland*
« Les Fleuves », FRAC Alsace, Sélestat, France

2003
«Bruno Perramant», FRAC Auvergne, Clermont-Ferrand, France

2002
« Les Demoiselles », Galerie In SITU, Paris, France

2001
Centre d'Art Contemporain, Brétigny-sur-Orge, France
Les lois de la reproduction, Galerie Ferdinand Van Dieten d?Eendt, Amsterdam, Holland
Fiac 2001, In Situ Fabienne Leclerc, Paris

1995
Z.a. Mocca Foundation, Tokyo, Japan

1991
Galerie Latitude, Nice, France
Galerie du Tableau, Marseille, France

1989
Galerie Tore, Marseille, France

1988
ODC, Aix-en-Provence, France

Group exhibitions

2017
En marge, Galerie In Situ - Fabienne Leclerc, Paris, France

2016
Nuit Blanche, Ville de Paris, France
Les années 1980, L?insoutenable légèreté, Pompidou, Paris

2015
Qu?est-ce que la photographie?, Galerie de photographies du Centre Pompidou
After dark, oeuvres de la collection Frac Ile-de-France, commissariat Xavier Franceschi, MAMCO, Genève

2014
Les esthétiques d'un monde désenchanté, CAC Meymac, France
Saint Jérôme, Galerie Meessen Declerq, Bruxelles, Belgium
Des Hommes et des mondes, Collège des Bernardins, Paris, France

2013
Pensé(z) cinéma, Abbaye Saint André, Centre d?art contemporain, Meymac
La Révolte et l?Ennui, FRAC Auvergne, Clermont-ferrand
La belle peinture 2, Phoenix, Maurice

2012
20 years, Hengesbach Gallery, Berlin
Sphères 4, Galerie Continua / Le Moulin, Boissy-Le-Châtel
Des vies à écrire, Espace oscar Niemeyer, Paris

2011
«L'ivresse », Maison Guerlain, Paris (18/10-14/11/11)
D'après la ruine, Vilniaus Kulturos Centras, Vilnius, Lithuania
Itinéraire bis, MAC/VAL , Vitry sur Seine
Sphères 4, Galerie Continua / Le Moulin, Boissy-Le-Châtel

2010
Celebration, FRAC Auvergne, Clermont Ferrand
Miroirs noirs, Fondation d?entreprise Ricard, Paris
Objects are like they appear, Meessen De Clercq, Brussels, Belgique
Collection Altadis, MEIAC, Badajoz, Espagne
 
2009
Arte na Franca: O Realismo, Segunda parte, Margs, Porto Alegre, Brasil
Paris - Berlin, in situ fabienne leclerc à la galerie Christian Nagel, Berlin, Allemagne
La rose pourpre du Caire, Musée d'Art et d'Archéologie, Aurillac, France
Tristes utopies, Galerie In Situ Fabienne Leclerc, Paris, France
Un siècle d'art francais, Museu de arte, Sao Paulo, Brazil

2008
The Flowers of Evil still bloom, spleen: Les Fleurs du Mal, Cueto Project Gallery, New York,USA
Voir en peinture,Museu Coloccao Berardo, Lisbonne, Portugal
Toute la collection du FRAC Ile-de-France (ou presque), Mac/Val, Vitry -Sur-Seine, France.
Traces du sacre, Musée Georges Pompidou, France
Silhouettes, Musée de Sérignan, Sérignan (France)
Family jewels, Damien Deroubaix and friends, Bongout show room, Berlin, Germany
The Haus der Kunst, Muenchen, Germany

2007
«À travers le miroir (western moderne)», Musée d'Art et d'Archéologie, FRAC Auvergne, Aurillac, France
«Intrusion au Petit Palais (FMAC and Petit Palais collections)», Musée du Petit Palais, Paris, France
«Artistes Français de A à Z», Galerie Gabrielle Maubrie, Paris, France
«Être au monde», MACVAL, Musée d?art contemporain, Vitry-sur-Seine, France
«Ecran total», galeries du cloître, ERBA, Rennes

2006
« Swamp », Galerie Rolf Hengesbach, Koeln, Germany
« Swoon », Galerie Ferdinand van Dieten, Amsterdam, Holland
« Peintures Malerei », Martin-Gropius-Bau, Berlin, Germany
« Pictorial research », Art Agents Gallery, Hambourg
« Voir en peinture / Two », la Générale, Paris, France
« Le Mouvement des images / Art, cinéma », Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris, France
« Ils sont passés par la... », Galerie du Cloître, Ecole régionale des Beaux-Arts de Rennes, France
« Peindre des images », La Galerie, Ecole supérieure des Beaux-Arts de Cournaille, Quimper, France
«Profils, 15 ans de création artistique en France», Pera Museum, Istanbul, Benaki Museum, Athènes

2005
«Nouvelles vagues», collection du MNAM, Centre Pompidou,
« Nouvelles vagues », Musée des Beaux-Arts, Shanghai, China
« Nouvelles vagues », Musée des Beaux-Arts, Canton, China
« Nouvelles vagues », Millennium, Pékin, China
« Mots d?ordre, mots de passe », Espace Paul Ricard, Paris, France Galerie Ferdinand van Dieten, Amsterdam, Holland

2004
« Soleil vert », Musée d'art Roger Quilliot, Clermont-Ferrand, France
« Soleil rouge », Centre Pomel, Issoire, France
« De leur temps » Collections privées françaises, Musée des Beaux-Arts ,Tourcoing, France
Galerie Le Garage, Toulouse, France
« Alors, c'est bon pour toi ? », Galerie Commune, Université de Lille III, Tourcoing, France
« Prix Altadis », Galerie Anne de Villepoix, Paris, France
« Prix Altadis », Galerie Heinrich Ehrhardt, Madrid, Spain
« Rood, Wit en Blauw » : Bruno Perramant & Henk Visch, Galerie Ferdinand van Dieten, Amsterdam, Holland
« L?artiste s?ennonce », Galerie Ferdinand van Dieten, Amsterdam, Holland
« Les Conque?rents, Les Exilés », FRAC Espace Boris Vian, Montluçon, France

2003
« Outlook », Athènes, Greece
« Cinéma(s) », Dompierre sur Besbre, France
Galerie Taché-Lévy, Bruxelles, Belgium
Galerie Ferdinand van Dieten, Amsterdam, Holland
« Lieber Maler, male mir..., Schirn Kunsthalle », Frankfurt, Germany

2002
« Cher Peintre, Peins-moi... »,Musée National d?Art Moderne, Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris, France
Lieber Maler, Male Mir..., Kunsthalle, Vienne, Autriche
« Voilà la France », Ce. S.A.C., Caraglio , Italy
« Lieber Maler, male mir ... , Kunsthalle », Vienna, Austria
« Peintures : contrainte ou recette », Ecole des Beaux-Arts, Rennes, France
« Recits », Centre d?art Contemporain, Meymac, France
Collection 4, FRAC Alsace, Sélestat

2001
« Par espacement et par apparition », FRAC Auvergne, Clermont Ferrand, France
« Affinités Narratives », in SITU, Paris, France
« Le vert tendre de la cime des pins », Hervé Bize, Nancy, France

2000
« Mimetic power », Galerie Ferdinand Van Dieten d?Eendt, Amsterdam, Holland

1999
« Trouble spot Painting », MUKHA, Antwerpen, Germany
« Un écran, le tableau », Centre d?Art Contemporain, Pougues-les-Eaux, France

1995
« L?Art d?Aimer », Villa St Clair, Sète, France

1994
Matsuzakaya, Tokyo, Japan

1990
Théâtre municipal, Caen, France

1989
Galerie Tore, Marseille, France
Marseille-Strasbourg, Galerie de l?Ecole d?Art , Marseille, France
Galerie Finnegan?s, Strasbourg, France
Galerie Graffic, Strasbourg, France

1988
Galerie Porte-Avion, Marseille, France
« 100 Autoportraits 10F », Aix-en-Provence, Marseille, Lyon, Paris, France
« Art jonction international », Galerie Latitude, Nice, France
« C'est facile de critiquer », Galerie des Ramblas, Marseille, France
Galerie Latitude, Nice, France

Publications

2009
*Bruno Perramant, MSSNDCLRCQ, In Situ Fabienne Leclerc, Rolf Hengesbach, Villa Medicis, 2009

2008
Parcours n°2, collections du MAC/VAL, Vitry sur Seine, 2008
Traces du sacre?, Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris, 2008
Qu'est ce que la peinture contemporaine? Editions Beaux-Art magazine, Paris, 2008

2007
Art contemporain, la collection du centre Pompidou, MNAM, Paris, 2007
L'art en france, 1990-2007, Editions Particules, Paris, 2007
Intrusions au Petit Palais, collection du FMAC, Paris, 2007

2006
Vous êtes ici, collection du FRAC Auvergne 2000-2006, Clermont-Ferrand
Peintures/Malerei, Editions du Centre Pompidou, Paris
Profils, 15 ans de création artistique en France, Musée Benaki, Athène, Grèce

2004
*«Upon the Rivers», GEM, museum of contemporary art, The Hague, Holland
Outlook, Athène, Grèce
*Bruno Perramant Actes Sud/Altadis
Alors c'est bien pour toi, Galerie Commune, Tourcoing
De leur temps, collections francaises, Musée des Beaux Arts, Tourcoing

2003
*«Sun», Frac Auvergne et Frac Alsace, France
- collections SANS frontières, GAM, galleria civica d?arte moderna e contemporanea, Turin, Italie

2002
«Cher peintre, peins-moi...», Musée national d?art moderne, Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris (french, english and german edition), France
«Peintures», Ecole des Beaux-Arts de Rennes, France
Récits, Centre d?art Contemporain, Meymac, France 2000
*«Sun», Centre d?art Contemporain, Brétigny/Orge, France
- Acquisitions 1996-2002, FRAC Alsace, Sélestat

2000
«Vues», éditions Villa St Clair, France

1999
«Un écran, le tableau», Centre d'Art Contemporain, Pougues-les-Eaux, France
«Trouble Spot Painting», MUKHA, Antwerpen, Belgium

1993
*«Dealer of viol», Marseille, France

1992
*«The easy to (find the deep) hold bottle», Ed. Le Festin, Bordeaux, France

1991
*«A ferme», Latitude, Nice, France

1988
*«Thalamus Virginis», ODC, Aix-en ?Provence, France
* personal catalog

Residencies

Domaine de Certes (DRAC Aquitaine, Conservatoire du Littoral), Audenge, 1990-1991 La Napoule Art Foundation, mars-avril 1993
Villa St-Clair, Sète, été 1994
Marunuma Residence, Tokyo, 1994-95
Villa Medicis Hors les Murs, AFAA, New-York, 1999
Villa Médicis, Rome, 2007-08

FRAC Auvergne, Clermont-Ferrand
FRAC Alsace, Sélestat
FRAC Champagne-Ardennes, Reims
FRAC Ile de France, Paris
MNAM, Centre Georges Pompidou, Paris
Fond national d'art contemporain, Paris
Collection Altadis, Paris, Madrid
Fond Municipal d'Art Contemporain, Paris
MAC/VAL, Musée d'art contemporain du Val-de-Marne, Vitry sur Seine

  • Bruno Perramant
    Bruno Perramant

  • Bruno Perramant - Upon the River
    Bruno Perramant - Upon the River

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    Sun frac auvergne frac alsace

    FRAC auvergne Frac alsace,

  • Sun Bretigny
    Sun Bretigny

    centre d'art contemporain de Bretigny,